[00:05] Jenna: Hello, happy people, and welcome to Office ADHD. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Office ADHD. Today we have Jason Brown with us. Not only is he part of our adult ADHD tribe, but he is a successful multi entrepreneur and world traveler. Welcome, Jason. Thanks for being here.
[00:32] Jason: Thank you so much for having me.
[00:34] Jenna: Hey, Jason, just give us an idea. What are some of the companies and things that you've either owned or helped run or been a part of?
[00:42] Jason: Well, I guess the first kind of step into business was more in a franchise situation. I had a few offices in New Zealand where I had direct sales teams that would go door to door and promote products for other people, and that was my first kind of step into the selling world. But then really what happened is in 2016, I started a digital marketing agency, which I co founded with my wife. She's co founder, co manager, creative director. She really runs that show, actually, if I'm being honest. But we started that together. And then from there, we started a consulting company where we consulted other high ticket coaches and marketing agency owners about their sales process, helping them recruit salespeople and appointment setters. So those are the two businesses that I still have. Last year, we had an exit from a fitness company where we built apps for fitness professionals. But the fitness professionals brought a lot of drama with them, so we left that business behind. And now I also now consult to a company based out of Austin, Texas, called Capitalism.com. So I'm sure you're familiar with those guys, but yeah, I've been consulting to those guys since November, so that's kind of what I do.
[01:50] Jenna: That's amazing. Well, and I think that's so cool that you were able to work with your wife and able to just kind of rely on each other's strengths with that process.
[02:00] Jason: Yeah, well, I think we're both I've definitely got ADHD, but my wife definitely is on the ADHD spectrum of some form as well. So it can be quite challenging at times when we're both kind of operating off high dopamine or we're both kind of all over the place with ideas because no one can really help us focus and take action. But fortunately, we normally operate on different weird lengths. So often when I'm going crazy with all the ideas, she's in the background taking notes and helping write action steps of how we can actually put these ideas into a strategy or a plan or we have it. Vice. Versa sometimes where she's got the creative juice flowing and someone's in the background taking notes and helping put in an action plan where we can actually do something with this creativeness.
[02:46] Jenna: That is neat that you guys have been able to just kind of recognize when each other's on those modes so that you can help each other. That's amazing.
[02:55] Jason: Yeah, I mean, we met each other in a backpack or hostel in 2011. And I think since then we've probably spent every day together. Obviously there's been occasions where I've gone away for work or she's gone away for a project or events, and we've been apart but almost every single day for the last eleven years. So you really get to start feeling people's energies when you're around them for that long. And so that's kind of the reason why we're able to pick up on each other's cues.
[03:25] Jenna: That's perfect. Well, and with the ADHD, you notice so many things. I love that. Definitely marrying your best friend. That's amazing.
[03:34] Jason: Yeah.
[03:36] Jenna: We would be here all day if you were going to list off every place you've ever been. But can you give us kind of a highlight of your world tour?
[03:44] Jason: Oh, wow. Yeah. I've been fortunate enough to do a lot of traveling. I mean, obviously, meeting your wife while you're traveling, you're finding someone who also has that interest straight away. And I think what happened, we moved back to Europe together. In fact, I actually followed her back to Europe. I'm not so sure she was quite as excited about the idea in the beginning as I was, but I ended up back in Brussels, where she's from. We spent a little bit of time in Belgium and then we sort of traveled again. We went to Asia for six months. We did Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, all the islands. We've been to Bali, so we kind of did all of that area. And we lived in New Zealand for five years. So we traveled all over the US. We've been to over 20 different states and lots of different national parks. But I think the best place we've ever been was actually a small island. It's on the south of Cambodia, and there's a place called Tihanikville, and off that little small beach there's a small island. And when we were there in 2013, the island was powered by a generator. So it was only the beach line that actually had any population. The rest of the island was dense jungle. There was no one else there. And so at like 10:00, the generator would go off and they'd light all these fires up all around the island and the whole island would just be lit by fire. And it was just really cool because there was no internet connections there, there was no data, there was nothing. You just disappeared for a few days. And I definitely look forward to going back to that place now that I'm even more involved in the digital world and being able to switch off for a few days. So I highly recommend Kurong Island in Cambodia.
[05:27] Jenna: Oh, that's amazing. Okay, we're definitely putting a link to that on the website for this one. Okay. That's awesome.
[05:35] Jason: Yeah. Especially for people with ADHD because there's no distractions on the islands. You can't do anything. You can just watch the waves coming in and out and in and out, in and out, and that's it. You can go for a swim and then watch the waves come in and out. That's pretty much what you can do.
[05:48] Jenna: Oh, wow. Yeah. Talk about being able to finally turn your brain off. Like that amazing.
[05:54] Jason: Yeah, absolutely. It's definitely needed from time to time. Even now, when I can't get to an island, I'll still get myself outside for a quick ten minute walk, or I'll go downstairs. And even if I'm just distracting myself for a little bit of time, it's really good to help kind of balance all of those crazy thoughts that are going on and helping you focus on one core task.
[06:18] Jenna: That's really true because I feel like it's really easy to get caught in the cloud of just the big cloud of thoughts and not step away.
[06:28] Jason: It's because usually we say yes to too many things. So usually when we're writing, highs of our dopamine levels are high and we're excited and we've probably drank too much cola, we've got too much sugar caffeine in the system, we get really excited by things and we say yes to everything. And so yeah, being able to kind of take a step back and think, okay, I don't want to say yes to everything today will help us in the long run for sure.
[06:55] Jenna: How do you decide what you're going to say yes to?
[07:00] Jason: That's been a process. I used to say yes to everything that would make me money. That's just being honest. My background, obviously I grew up with very little, so I think whenever I started earning some kind of what I would consider decent income at the time, I kind of got a little bit hungry for chasing that down. But I think once I realized that the material things are not like they're not actually helping my big picture vision goal, I realized that it was actually taking me away from things that I genuinely want to do, which was just spend more time with my family, hang out with a small group of people rather than having to be friends with everyone. Like being a class clown in school, you kind of come from a place where everyone is your friend because you entertain everyone in every different class, and as you get into adulthood, that becomes quite exhausting to kind of maintain those relationships. So I think I started saying yes to things that really fueled my heart, my passion, my soul, things that I knew that it didn't matter if it was going to be in six weeks from now, I would still say yes. And then really, I started saying no to almost everything in the sense of, I'll get back to you. Let me get back to you, and just allow myself to have enough time to process what the request was and trying to future gauge myself in that position. And would I still be as excited in six months from now if the day was coming up? Would I still be as excited for the opportunity? And if I can't feel like I will be so pumped up in six months, then I'll probably just say no.
[08:34] Jenna: That's amazing. Okay. I love how there's like two huge parts there. I feel like, have you kind of just sat down and figured out, this is my actual vision for my life, what I actually want?
[08:48] Jason: Yeah, I think that I like to protect my energy very well. I do maximum effort to protect my energy. I like to put positive energy out into the world, but often I feel like when I share that with the wrong people, it's just absorbed, and then it's not used, it's discarded. So it's not like they can take that energy, reciprocate it, and kind of give me some of their own positive energy in return. So I like to really guard my positive energy. Like, that's been the decision making process along with anything. So if I feel like I'm having a conversation and someone's asking me to do something or requesting something from me, and my first initial gut feeling is, I don't really want to do that. I may not even say that out loud, but that's a cue for me to go, let me have a think about it, and I'll get back to you. If the gut feeling kind of comes in and it's a feeling of, I wouldn't do that normally, then I'll give myself enough time to think about whether or not I actually want to do it well.
[09:46] Jenna: And I love that response that you give. Let me think about it, because that gives you time to not have to respond no in the moment, not to have to you can delay that uncomfortable moment until you've had a chance to think how to phrase it and what to do.
[10:03] Jason: And I also think it works better than saying, let me check my calendar, because then that gives them the anticipation that there is the possibility of the event being booked or the actions happening. And then it puts you under that kind of pressure as well to choose a date for the said event to happen as well. So I often say when I think, let me think about it. Let me look at my calendar and find a space for you, because that creates a scenario where people may think that we're going to do this thing, and I really just want to have a look at my calendar and see if I can avoid it. So often people say, Let me take my calendar, and it gives the other person the impression that, cool, there will be a space for me. And it kind of puts pressure on me then to kind of fill them into a gap somewhere, because I'm not going to be busy for months. There's going to be a gap in my calendar somewhere for this event or this action to take place in as long as it's within the time frame they're okay with, then they're still going to expect me to do said action and I don't want to do it. So instead I just say, let me think about it. And then I come back and say, hey, look, it's not for me right now. I'm not in a place where I can actually invest emotional energy into a project like this or whatever that might look like at the time. But I usually don't tell people, let me check my calendar because it leads to, okay, what dates have you got? Free.
[11:15] Jenna: That's perfect. I love that because I never know what to say. Well, half the time I never know what to say in the moment. And so that gives you time. Okay, perfect.
[11:24] Jason: Yeah. And I think it comes from you're allowed to think about stuff. You're allowed to think about whether or not you want to do these things. And so I think whenever you're so comfortable with saying yes to everything because you've had ADHD your entire life, it's really a struggle to start saying no to stuff because you also have fear of missing out is a really cool thing. And what if I miss it? Yeah, but so what? In five years from now, you'll still have ADHD. So you'll have 1000 million new thoughts that have made you forget about the fact that you didn't do that one thing five years ago.
[11:58] Jenna: That is so true. And that actually reminds me of the other half that I was going to try and unpack with you too. So I love that idea of saying, do I still want to do this when it happens?
[12:12] Jason: Yeah, absolutely. I always try and imagine because I have a six month plan, I know where the business is at at the moment. I know what the goals are there, I know what the strategies are for growing the company. So I can kind of already envision where the businesses will be at in six months. And then that allows me to kind of visualize where I would be at and what kind of position I want to be in. And I don't like to work a lot of hours during the day anymore. I can't do it anyway. I used to be thinking that working ten or 12 hours a day was the key to success, but I can only focus for four of those hours. So it really didn't make any sense to be like working 12 hours a day. It was just doing things for the sake of doing things. And so once I kind of realized that I could get into a real zone of genius or a real creative flow for 4 hours or two, three or four hour work blocks, I just started splitting things up into blocks and I would just work in blocks rather than I start work at eight, I finish at five. I'll just say like, I have a work block from eight till ten, then I'm going to have another work block from 1130 to 1215, and then I have another work block, and it's a work block. So my brain automatically starts to consider while we're working here, stop getting distracted by football or TV, watching golf, playing golf, all those things that you want to be doing. Like, this is a work block, and it's really easily color coded. In my calendar, it's red. I can see that it's a work block, so I know exactly that it's the color coordinator. The green is my free space. That's normally where I'm playing golf. So I use colors to kind of visually represent where I'm going to be, and it helps me be really focused in that moment.
[13:49] Jenna: Okay, that's great. So I love that you're using our natural talent for visualization, to be able to visualize how you're going to feel at different times. And then I have to know, how long did it take you to train your brain to know, okay, it's going to be all right. I am going to give you a break, so it's okay to focus for this work block.
[14:08] Jason: It's a 17 year journey and ongoing.
[14:12] Jenna: I love it.
[14:14] Jason: It never stops. It never stops. I mean, obviously, as you begin to grow, you start again, interest in new things, and then you have to determine whether or not those new things are a distraction or they're actually something that you'd be excited by. So I've got a garage full of hobby toys that I've bought that never used. It doesn't change, like, the person that you are, it doesn't change. You can manage it a little bit better. I think the idea is that it depends on what you're looking to do. I know I have two companies, and I consult, and I'm busy with work, and that kind of keeps me distracted. But it doesn't have to be that way. There's been months where I've just kind of closed a lot of the business down, and we've come off a couple of projects, and instead of recruiting and bringing on new projects, we've kind of just gone into a three month break. I just got back from a five week trip across the US. Which was amazing. Yeah, I traveled with a three year old, so if I can do it, anyone can do it. We flew into the east coast. We were on the West Coast for a few weeks. While we were there, we were in the middle of the country, so we've been through four different time zones in five weeks. And we did it with a three year old. But we did it because we had planned know we knew that we were going to do it. But also when I say planned it, I should actually emphasize I don't plan anything that's like, two weeks or further out. Like, I can't do it. So this five week trip was an idea and it became a plan in 24 hours. So that's how I do things. Like, I have the idea of going on a five week trip and then in 24 hours I'll book everything. I'll book the flights to America, I'll book the hotels for the first couple of weeks, I'll book the internal flights. I'll do everything in one block. So it's the same thing as how I do with work. I block it out and go, I'm going to book an entire trip in 3 hours and I'll book the entire trip in 3 hours.
[16:08] Jenna: That's great. Well, I love that because yeah, scheduling, I don't know why our brains hate scheduling, but they do. That's great. And then let's talk more about this whole international travel thing because that's scary for some of us that naturally aren't organized to think, oh, I'm going to be going to another country. How do you stay organized? What are your tips and tricks for people that are traveling internationally?
[16:34] Jason: Okay, so recently I actually learned a new life hack for myself. I don't know if you call them that in the US. But they're called *** bags here. They're like little zipper bags.
[16:44] Jenna: You normally wear them around their ***** packs.
[16:48] Jason: ***** packs, yeah, ***** packs, right. So having a ***** pack but not having it around your waist and up around your shoulder has been the most rewarding feeling in the world for me because normally what I get anxious over the most and distracted by is where's my phone and where's my wallet? Or where's my car keys? And I'm always like tapping my pockets to try and find these things. And then I find them, I'm like, they're there, it's cool, I can breathe. It's fine, it's not a problem. But when I got the little bag, when I travel, I mean, there's always going to be unforeseen events when you travel. Delays, cancels, long queues lines, security, not TSA, being super slow, whatever. There's always going to be so much things that you can't control. And I often think that by trying to control all of your trip and then have those situations be uncontrollable, that creates even more of a tizzy for me in my mind because I'm like, I planned this whole thing, it's been all perfect. I did everything right. And now the security guard is ruining it for me. So being in a situation where there's too many things that I can't control gives me more anxiety. And so the tip that I have is that if you have your wallet and you have your phone and you have your passports and you have those things close to you. So like in your little ***** pack but up on your heart, it's just tapping your chest to feel the weight of the bag. It's all in there. And knowing that is kind of like reassuring because I can tell my own heart and it's like I'm giving myself a little tiny hug, but it's like there it is, it's all there. And it's like it's very quickly reassuring that I don't have to feel anxious. I've got a password, I've got a phone, I've got a wallet. Worst case scenario, I can call someone, pay for someone, or I can I own. Yeah, that kind of helps. And then the rest of the things I really treat the world as we'll see how it comes and I try and project a positive outlook to the world and therefore I often create a positive reality in return.
[18:35] Jenna: I love that. Okay. So I love the idea of giving yourself now I understand. So it's kind of like you have it kind of across your chest so that then you can just said pat your heart. And besides, that seems like because I know I always hear about people trying to do things to stop pickpocketing, but if it's right in front of you.
[18:56] Jason: Then yeah, you can't pickpocket it yet. You can see it in your peripheral vision all the time. You're constantly being reassured that it's all there and it's one of the things that we worry about most while we're being on holidays is losing our phone or our wallets. That's amazing.
[19:11] Jenna: And they have some really cool looking ones now too. Okay. And so you have it right there, giving yourself that hug. And then I love that idea of just projecting everything's going to be okay because as long as I have these things, I can get where I need to go. I can do the things that need to be done.
[19:28] Jason: It's fine. Absolutely. Yeah. Honestly, a lot of our stress, especially when we have ADHD, because we've got so many different ideas formulating our brains at any given moment. And if we start to feel stressed or worried about those things, then we project that energy out there and we often will start exploring and finding those things that we are trying to avoid. Yeah. So instead I have the reassurance with the fan. In fact, that everything that's extremely important as long as my daughter, obviously I need to look around and find out my daughter's still there too. Oh my gosh, she's such an amazing traveler because she's kind of been traveling with us and she's so used to the process and she's always walking two steps in front of us. So that part is all taken care of. We've built her in the best version of being our little travel buddy possible. So I think that's been a big thing for us. Yeah, I think just that reassurance that the most important things are right here and that's all being very close. Like my wife has a ***** pack too. We're all kind of in a little bubble. We're really close together, so everything is there. Everything that we need is in a wee bubble. And it doesn't matter if there's 10,000 people at the airport or 30,000 security guards or 100 million plane, it doesn't matter because we can kind of keep ourselves in this little bubble and that kind of bounces through the airport really quickly.
[20:54] Jenna: I love that. And like you said, that keeps you all together, keeps you ready to find anything perfect. Okay. Personally, while you were talking, that just relieved half of my anxiety, even picturing being in an international airport.
[21:11] Jason: Oh, wow.
[21:14] Jenna: I was just like, okay, perfect. Okay, awesome. Now I keep an outline in front of me because I will obviously go everywhere. That's why I love interviewing people with ADHD, because we go everywhere together. Let me ask you, we talked about how, yes, we love our hobbies and our projects, and you've got all of these different moving parts with different businesses and things. What's some of your advice for how do you keep some of your to do list going? What's your plan there?
[21:52] Jason: Well, if you have a to do list that looks like my to do list, it normally starts with the words to do with a line that goes underneath it. And then I start with number one, then number two, number three, number four, number five, and it could be number 36 before I get finished. So normally my to do lists look like that what I learned from an event. I was in a marketing event in Hawaii in 2016, and I met a guy who owns an agency in Santa Monica in California, and he told me that whenever we write out lists like that and we have numbers, if you've got seven numbers on that list, six of those things can go pretty quickly. So normally what I'll do is I'll write out the list numbered one to seven or one to ten or whatever the numbers are, and then I'll go to the other side of what the task is, and then I'll re number them in importance and I'll write down what I think is the list of importance in numerical order. And then everything that happens from two onwards, I just put a box around it and I forget about it, and I focus on number one. And if I look at number one and I think, oh, well, number one is it really important, but is it urgent? And it's not urgent. Then I'll readdress the list, and then what I want to know is that from the numbers, when they're in sequential order of importance, I want to put them in order of urgency or non urgency. And then I reshuffle the list again so that I'm prioritizing the things that are somewhat important, but getting rid of the urgent tasks as quick as possible.
[23:23] Jenna: Okay. I love that. Okay, so first you're like, okay, I've let myself make this list. Obviously, I'm not going to get all 30 things done today. So what's most important? And then what actually has a due date that needs that's coming up?
[23:39] Jason: Yeah. So I kind of filter first on importance. And then I refilter that same list then on urgency, because the ones that are most urgent are often not. They're normally like, I have to pay up. It's not extremely important, but and it gets urgent that it gets done. We often overlook them. And then those are the ones that when we get to deadline, they give us the most anxiety.
[24:02] Jenna: Yeah, it's like, oh shoot, I forgot that.
[24:05] Jason: All of a sudden it becomes very important and then it's too late to actually put the time and effort that task requires.
[24:17] Jenna: Okay, I love that. Okay, so then, yeah, go ahead and make sure you're taking care of this. You don't have to worry about it.
[24:23] Jason: That's it. And then normally what happens is I'll take that project and then I have the name of that project on another page. And I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, oh my God, that's going to take me 10 hours. And so I keep looking at that page, and before in the past, I would keep looking at that page until I stopped looking at that page, closed the notepad and said I'll come back to it later. I see it as too big of a project or too big of a task. So I try and break it down then into chunks that are maybe 30 minutes work chunks or 1 hour work chunks. And I'll say, look, this is going to take me 7 hours, but I'm going to do it in 30 minutes chunks over the next 14 days. And I just commit to 30 minutes over the next 14 days. Then it's not a big task, it's not a seven hour project. It's no deadline in place. I just have to commit for 30 days. If they're 30 minutes out of a 24 hours period for the next 14 days, and the task will be done. It's really micromanageable actions. And so I should never feel overwhelmed or stressed or stressed. So I normally be able to knock it out in the timeline. So if I have a project and it's the 20 May now, and I know that it's going to have to be due in ten days, I'm going to break it down into ten days, and then I'm going to break it into two chunks per day. Because I don't really want to be focusing on one thing for a whole day either, because I'll start to deviate from the thought process. I'll start to get distracted by ideas. I'll add things into it that I shouldn't probably add into it, or I'll not add things into it because I'm getting distracted by something else. So I often break it down into ten days and then break each day into two chunks. And I know then that in each day I have a task to complete that's super manageable. I've given myself more time than I need to, to complete it, but not so much time that I become overwhelming and. Keep pushing it back and keep pushing it back and keep pushing it back.
[26:10] Jenna: That's amazing. Okay. Yeah, I love because I know people talk about breaking things into smaller tasks, but that's a very specific way to do it is to say I need it to the task to take 30 minutes or less or whatever. Time frame you want or less whatever time frame. You know you can focus and you know you're going to actually hit that task and do it, and then you can even say, okay, well, this one has to be done faster. I'll do two sets of 30 minutes in these days. I love that.
[26:42] Jason: Yeah, because normally what happens is we'll get chunked into like a four or five hour work project and we just get distracted, which is why we have so many unfinished projects. We've got so many things that we've started that we've never finished because we tried to tackle it as one big project in one day on a Friday because we were supposed to do it on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. But we kept pushing it and pushing it and pushing it, and then it came to Friday and we've got to get it finished now because now we have a deadline. But really, what we finish and the project that we hand out to the world is not our best work because it's filled with real hyper focus in the beginning and then exhaustion towards the end.
[27:19] Jenna: Well, and I love the idea, too, of being able to say to yourself, after you just do that 30 minutes I'm accomplished today, I've done something, I can pat myself on the back.
[27:30] Jason: That's it. And again, often I'll find that there's periods of time where I give myself a 30 minutes chunk and I lift up my eyes again and it's been 45 minutes, or it's been an hour, it's been longer. And I haven't been distracted because my focus is it's only going to be 30 minutes. So I don't even really think about the time that I'm investing in it at that point. So, again, I get less distracted because I tell my brain, we can become very focused here because it's only 30 minutes, but my brain doesn't know that we've been sat there for an hour sometimes.
[28:00] Jenna: Yeah, because, I mean, as long as you got the focus going, you may as well just finish out that task, but you can always stop because you know you've done what you needed to do for that day.
[28:09] Jason: That's it.
[28:10] Jenna: That's beautiful. I love that. Okay. I love your tips. These are amazing. Before I ask your last question, I just wanted to know if there's any other tips you want to share with us, just because you have so many good ones.
[28:29] Jason: Oh, man, there's lots of hacks and stuff there to handle and deal with ADHD. I think the beauty of ADHD, though, I think that can help a lot more people than giving you a tip on how to deal with it is. I would rather share that you should just accept it as a part of who you are, and that's the easiest way to handle it. I mean, a lot of the time I would just despite these distractions and I'm not medicated by any kind of medicaid, I love it. I'm happy with ADHD. I used to think it was a hindrance and a distraction because all the way through school I was told, you're a class clown. You need to calm down. You're distracting everyone. And really, I was just bored with the information I was receiving. I'd already interpreted, understood it. I was like, okay, I get it now. Next lesson. But I was just bored. So I got a lot of distractions as a result of that. But as I grew up, when I started to start my own companies, my own business is like a lot of the visionaries and CEOs of companies that I've supported and work with also have ADHD. And the reason why is because they can have 1000 different ideas flying through their mind and they can pick the best idea out of thin air. If they really start to focus on it, if they really start to appreciate it for what it is, other people can become very focused with ADHD. They go, okay, that's the project. That's what we're working on. And they go, okay. And they go down a very linear route where people with ADHD, they take sidetracks and they go on adventures and they go up mountains down this project, and they play in valleys and they go for swims and they're all over the place. But the end project, as long as they can bring back everything that they've explored and seen and find, the end project is a lot more beautiful. I think. So I would just tell people that who are listening that if they do have ADHD and they're trying to figure out ways how they can control it, don't try and control it to the sense where you're trying to get rid of it, because it's often a superpower for me. I get to see things in situations that other people don't see because I've played 15 different scenarios out in my head before they've played one scenario out in theirs. And so I see it as a strength, not a weakness. And the longer that I kind of focus back on my high school education and stuff like that and seeing it as a hindrance to the teacher because I was distracting his process, I wasn't the hindrance. It wasn't me that was the problem. It was the distraction to his lesson that was the problem. And now when I'm an adult and I look at the businesses I run and the clients I work with and the problems that they bring to me, ADHD allows me to play out 15 different scenarios, like I said, for that client, and say, what about this perspective and that perspective and that perspective and that perspective. And I don't think I could do that if I was really focused and didn't have ADHD. So I wouldn't give people tips to try and hide it or curb it or control it. I would like to finish the podcast with just a share to it and love and embrace it. And it's exciting, man, because our brains are awesome. And when we really start to get inside our head and listen to the thoughts that we're having and engage with, don't start talking to yourself because people will think you're crazy. But when you really engage with the thoughts that you're having inside your head, often they're wonderful creative concepts and ideas that other people are just not having. And I think that's beautiful because how else do they walk around this world? Do they walk around the world with pure silence in their head? That sounds even more boring. So I'm quite happy to go the ADHD route where everything walking with my wife and I see a tree and I'm like, oh, look, a leaf. Why is that important at 36 years old? I don't know, but that leaf looks cool. And I'm connecting with nature and I'm picking it up and I'm feeling it and I'm being there and I'm being present all of the time versus just being switched off and not connected with what's going on all the time. Basically, I like being plugged in all the time. And if you have ADHD, I hope that you enjoy being plugged in all the time too.
[32:13] Jenna: I love that. Thank you so much. That's beautiful. And thank you so much for coming on the show today.
[32:23] Jason: Not a problem. Absolutely no problem at all. You can have me back anytime at all.
[32:27] Jenna: And thank you, everyone out there, for listening. Be sure to subscribe and share with your friends and to have an amazing day. Thanks so much for listening. To learn more about anything we talked about today, head over to Office Adhd.com. Remember to like, subscribe and share and have a great day. We'll see you next time. Bye.